Google Is Now Prominently Listing the Cloned isoHunt…

Because a multi-year lawsuit from the largest Hollywood studios, a $110 million fine, and a shutdown order from a federal judge isn’t Google’s problem.

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25 Responses

  1. smg77

    It’s almost like you don’t understand how search engines are supposed to work.

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    • David Parker

      The internet started out as a walled communication between universities. It now can be compared to a utility. We all know IDEALLY how search engines work but do we want our children playing with electricity or people stealing electricity. Like all things that go public, there are rules, regulations, etc. We have to live together and some people want the rules and regulations and willing to give up some of the unfiltered aspect of the internet. I want to drive real fast sometimes but if I get caught . . .

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    • Paul Resnikoff
      Paul Resnikoff

      The assumption you’re making is that the way a technology natively ‘works’ is the way it should exist, be adapted to, or blindly accepted without any regulation or responsibility. For example, we all know how an automobile ‘works’ or how a knife ‘works,’ right (and yes, these are both technologies)?

      Let’s see: you put the pedal down and go, that’s a car, right, that’s how an engine works when connected to a chassis, right? GTA5 style, right?

      You just slice stuff, right, because that’s how a knife works? Here, let me go out on 3rd Street and show some people how the knife technology works; there seem to be all these extra rules and limits around its usage.

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  2. Anon

    Paul, this is news? Do you know how search engines work or are you writing headlines?

    Douche.

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  3. Buns of Steel

    I see similar results using Bing, Yahoo and pretty much every other search engine. I guess Google IS the internet though.

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  4. DUDE

    Are you ever gonna make an effort to understand the technology you bitch about, or are you just gonna keep posting uninformed rants and making yourself look like an idiot forever

    Cmon Paul get it together

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    • Paul Resnikoff
      Paul Resnikoff

      I’m confused. Does ‘getting it together’ mean blindly accepting some simplified version of how technology operates, unfettered? Because, it seems to me that truly ‘getting it together’ would be to discuss how technology should operate in the most responsible manner that benefits the most participants in society.

      Your turn.

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      • DUDE

        “It seems to me that truly ‘getting it together’ would be to discuss how technology should operate in the most responsible manner that benefits the most participants in society”

        That is an admirable sentiment especially coming from someone that tends to focus very narrowly on how the internet harms IP rightsholders, but intelligent, worthwhile discussions of how technology SHOULD work have to be rooted in an understanding of how it is currently working… and the fact that Google is picking up the resurrected Isohunt would not be newsworthy to anyone with any understanding of how Google compiles its search results

        If you wanna post an opinion piece about how Google could do a better job of compiling its search results, be my guest Id love to read it, but dont try and pass this half-assed rant about Google listing things you don’t like in its results off as a ‘discussion of how technology should work’ because its an even worse excuse for that than it is for journalism

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        • Paul Resnikoff
          Paul Resnikoff

          The basic problem is that the interests of a company like Google are almost completely opposed to the interests of a sector like Hollywood. The reason is that Google gains the most value when people can find the stuff they want, without restrictions and without considering issues like legality (or dare I say ethics, morality, etc). The fewer the limitations, the greater the likelihood that Google will satisfy this demand. And, the more money Google makes, directly or indirectly.

          Hollywood (and related sectors like music) have an interest in protecting its IP. See the problem?

          Sitting in the bleachers, it’s easy to see that Google (and competing search engines, YouTube, ISPs, access providers, and rogue sites) are clearly winning this battle. Part of this is based on the very horrible campaign around SOPA, supported by truly inept organizations like the RIAA. They fucked it up, and have been fucking it up for more than a decade.

          But just because the participants are inept, doesn’t mean the system is good. And for that, I point to the rickety, antiquated DMCA that functions like a mule cart on a highway. It does some of the job, but is woefully out of date and doesn’t address the real needs or interests of the content community. Google (mostly) says this is a system that protects the interests of all, allows proper policing (I say most, because even Google executives like Fred von Lohmann have complained that this is becoming a burden even for Google).

          This article painfully exemplifies this gulf in interest and agenda. I’m not sure this is what Hollywood had in mind while spending (tens of) millions of dollars pursuing isoHunt, or what a federal judge had in mind when the gavel was dropped.

          They (and artists, and the music industry) are losing. And this is far less about ‘how technology works,’ and far more about how self-interested parties operate, on both sides of the issue.

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          • Anonymous

            You are also advertising Isohunt’s existence too with this article.. arguably in a more damaging manner because Google is returning the result for people who know exactly what they are searching for.

          • DUDE

            I dont necessarily agree with all this, but its a well laid out, informed, respectable argument. I wish you’d write more articles like this… that is ‘together’

            I work in the music industry and I do agree wholeheartedly that IP rights need to be protected — my career is kinda riding on it — but as you acknowledged the industry hasnt really been handling itself well in these kinds of arguments and it bothers me to see that trend continue in some of the more poorly thought-out comments and articles that get posted here

            The system as it exists is far from perfect, but railing against it without displaying a good grasp of how & why it works the way it does, or without being willing to compromise and adapt, is not doing anyone any favors, if anything that kind of thing only digs the industry deeper

          • while true...

            I did not know Iso hunts new address until you posted this article… Thanks Paul 🙂

  5. Daniel

    This is perhaps the most absurd story I’ve ever seen, not just here but anywhere.

    Would Google be doing its job if you did NOT see the current isohunt when searching for ISOHUNT?

    What kind of filter are you thinking it’s reasonable for them to in place to avoid that?

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  6. Bruce Burbank

    Paul, if you had searched for the new Arcade Fire album or new Motorhead album or whomever, and isohunt was the first listing that came up, that might be a problem.

    But if you do a Google search for isohunt, and the first listing that comes up is isohunt, how can you say anything other than, ‘damn, looks like Google is doing a damn fine job at giving the people exactly what they’re looking for.’?

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  7. Locke

    What I find interesting about this, and what apparently everyone else may be missing, is the distributor deal. I admit I have not done my homework on this, as things may have changed the last I checked, but as I recall, Google doesn’t work the way everyone seems to assume. Top listings are NOT sites with the top hits. In fact, not so long ago 4chan people exploited this flaw during an Oprah contest where they got about half a million people to search her name and some derogatory language so that when you typed the letter “O” it would all come up. Shortly thereafter they began to change how search results were returned. Top listings can pay to be the top result. Which, if still true, would make Google more of a contributor to the illegal downloading issue. They have the option to NOT list known illegal sites (as they have for more secure/protected sites/databases), they could very well make it that much harder to torrent. Google once took a stance where they were NOT listing a few torrent sites in an effort to slow down the illegal activity. If they are now listing isohunt (as opposed to not listing it before), then that could very well mean that they’ve been bought off. Would it be considered a bribe? No. Is it a little sketchy? It’s the difference between someone selling you drugs, and someone telling you exactly where to go and what to do so you can buy drugs, where they also get a little payout for instructing you.

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  8. Gill

    This is news? Are you going to do an article for everything that comes up when you google that specific thing? I just googled pointless articles and this came up first.

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  9. Capone

    It’s all about money my friends! Google will proudly list the new cloned isohunt with no problems at all! Doesn’t it attract alot of traffic, well yes off course, then why not!

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  10. Let Anarchy Reign

    The government and all corporations are pure evil. Let them all fall down like the empires before them. Let every drop of wealth, property and power be taken from them and REdistributed back to the people. Hack the planet! Our system is so broken, it’s just funny at this point. Everybody keeps on perpetuating the false reality that this is our ideal society as our rights and freedom get taken from us, one manufactured law (or better yet LIE) at a time. Don’t you think they know the system is too far gone? All we can do is get high on drugs to kill the pain, become f*&king robots or BREED until the world is completely covered in streets and cities killing all of the natural life in the process. And you idiots are talking about copyright law and intellectual property…… anyways off topic 🙂 Sorry had to vent a little.

    Thank you to the new ISOHUNT people. Please continue to fight the good fight.

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  11. Aaron

    1. That is not the same website, or the same people running that website.

    2. What do you think google should do?

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  12. mike chaney

    Not a lot of thought was put into this article. However, as people have pointed out, it did allow me to know that Isohunt is back up and running.

    90% of the people in the music biz do not care, the 10% are like the upper class in North Korea…just standing around and nodding approval at the Dictator, accepting their dole, attending extravagant events, trying not ripple the water so the Dictator realizes they do nothing for his country. Just hoping to secure enough wealth to retire in the style they’re accustomed too.

    With that analogy, I prefer Google being able to pull ANYTHING UP on a search instead of any form of censorship. The problem is with people like yourself is, you’re not offering valid solutions. It’s the same stuff that was coming out when Napster broke in the early days of P2P sharing. Sit around and complain…”Woo is me” and wait for the government to step in.

    If it was my bread and butter I would go down fighting with solutions. Make my mark on history. It will happen one day, maybe in the works now, but not in my lifetime. The people in position to make that call today just want to get to retirement.

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  13. PiratesWinLOL

    They sure got a lot out of all their years of effort, trying to close that site down 🙂

    Anyway, such sites should really just move to TOR. Then all this silly nonsens wouldn’t be needed at all.

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