"It's all about the music..."

I don't know anything about the Juggalos, but in the aftermath of the Sikh Temple killings, classifying some genres of music as worthy of police scrutiny does not seem such a terrible idea.

Slippery slope my friend.

You know Hatebreed got caught up in all of that?  Guess the feds thought they were a hate or skinhead band, they're not at all.

Authoritianism? No thanks.

Authoritianism? No dictionary.

I'm not suggesting that Nazi hate 'artists' should be banned (though in many countries they are), but it is legitimate for law enforcement agencies to scrutinise whatever evidence is available of people's criminal intentions.

Your attitude is music to my ears and every politician on the planet.

It is important to remember that politicians use law enforcement as a tool to gain power and maintian it.

Also, the definition of what is criminal changes depending on which way the political wind is blowing.

Maybe the activities and communications of every commenter on DMN should be monitored.

A clever politician could convince anough voters that everyone who is involved in the music business is a potential Kim Dotcom and therefore should be monitored for copyright infringement, tax evasion and money laundering.

I am looking forward to your vote in the next election, if not we'll be watching you.

It's not about the music, it's the fact that some icp fans look/act/talk like or want to be gang members.

I find it really ignorant to label "Juggalo's" as a gang, the aryan brotherhood is labled a gang, but they are also christians, just like neo-nazi and the KKK are christians, priests who molest little boys are still christians...at the very least most of them beilieve they are... but does that mean all christians are racisist and sexualy perverse, no.

So if some juggalo's commit crimes why is everyone else held accountable for thier actions?

Also people who share like minds and live near eachother get together and hang out, some go to bars, some get together and play videogames or rpg/board games and some do other things outdoors like hunt or birdwatch etc.. my point is there are a lot of "gangs" of teens and adults in the world , the definition of "gang" really just means a group of people.. so a group of friends who hang out a lot are a gang... a lot of groups of people hang out and get in trouble, the difference is they don't have a label hanging over thier head for people to notice and use against them.

Now i've heard that some juggalo's who live near eachother form actual gangs in thier neighboorhoods and use the word juggalo or whatever as a name for thier street gang... i was born and raised in chicago and i like to read about things and watch documentories about random stuff so i know a little bit about the history of gangs in chicago from the 1950-1970's.

And i know that bloods and/or crips like most gangs didn't start out as what they are now, most gangs start either from good intentions or by a group hoodlums or just emotionally/mentally damaged people who decided they should start a gang and run thier hood for whatever reason.. im guessing power and/or money.

It's common and understandable, it happens, but because they are juggalo's living that lifestyle doesn't mean all juggalo's are liek that or the general juggalo community supports that.

Like i said, christianity has broken off into many sub groups and they are able to stay seperate with different beliefs and lifestyles and people don't really hold the actions of one group agaisnt the others. why do juggalos need to be labled like this.. it's no right.

And it looks to me that out of all these gangs the fbi list the onlyone that isn't organized or have leaderships are juggalos.

From what i know about "gangs" they usually have leaders at the top that make gang rules and/or marching orders... then the local chapters,sets,sections or whater have someone running that specefic area. I know they say juggalo's are a "hybrid gang" but what if a group of lil wayne fans or metalica fans get together and start a gang in thier neighborhood?

Speaking of metalica, a lot of people have commited suicide and it has been attributed to "fade to black".. and what about cullumbine.. i think they liked nin and manson but im guessing they like metalica too.. point is though it's not the bands fault for what people do.

People do messed up stuff because they are human beings not because they are fans of a specific music group or movie or video game, or because they do or don't beilieve in a god.

the most boring part of this post is the commonly held assertion amongst some Americans that Guns'n'Roses 'wrote some of the greatest music of all time...'.

meh, more like the musical equivalent of the KFC family chicken bucket.

Delicious.

I think it is important if you are interested in this topic, that you read the relevant portion of the report.  So here it is.  Full report at  http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment#Expansion

The expansion of hybrid gangs—non-traditional gangs
with multiple affiliations—is a continued phenomenon in
many jurisdictions nationwide. Because of their multiple
affiliations, ethnicities, migratory nature, and nebulous
structure, hybrid gangs are difficult to track, identify, and
target as they are transient and continuously evolving.
Furthermore, these multi-ethnic, mixed-gender gangs
pose a unique challenge to law enforcement because
they are adopting national symbols and gang members
often crossover from gang to gang. Hybrid gangs are of
particular concern to law enforcement because members
often escalate their criminal activity in order to gain
attention and respect.
Hybrid gangs, which are present in at least 25 states,
are fluid in size and structure, yet tend to adopt similar
characteristics of larger urban gangs, including their
own identifiers, rules, and recruiting methods. Like
most street gangs, hybrid gang members commit a
multitude of street and violent crime. Law enforcement
reporting suggests that hybrid gangs have evolved
from neighborhood crews that formed to expand drug
trafficking, or from an absence of loyalty to nationally
recognized gangs in their region.
      *Law enforcement officials in many jurisdictions
nationwide report an increase in juvenile gang
membership and violent crime among hybrid and
local gangs, according to 2010 NGIC reporting.

       *NGIC reporting indicates that hybrid gangs are
dominating nationally recognized gangs in some
jurisdictions and merging with other gangs to
expand their membership.

Hybrid and Almighty Latin King
Nation (ALKN) Gang Members Arrested
on Drug Charges

In November 2010, hybrid gang members in
Pontiac, Michigan, known the “New World Order,”
were charged along with members of the ALKN
for numerous drug offenses. Several guns, drugs,
dozens of cell phones and $10,000 in cash were
seized by FBI, DEA and local police departments.
Many of the gang members arrested were juveniles
and young adults.

The Juggalos, a loosely-organized hybrid gang, are
rapidly expanding into many US communities. Although
recognized as a gang in only four states, many Juggalos
subsets exhibit gang-like behavior and engage in
criminal activity and violence. Law enforcement officials
in at least 21 states have identified criminal Juggalo
sub-sets, according to NGIC reporting.

        *NGIC reporting indicates that Juggalo gangs areexpanding in New Mexico primarily because theyare attracted to the tribal and cultural traditionsof the Native Americans residing nearby.

Most crimes committed by Juggalos are sporadic, disorganized, individualistic, and often involve simpleassault, personal drug use and possession, pettytheft, and vandalism. However, open source reporting suggests that a small number of Juggalos are forming more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-like
criminal activity, such as felony assaults, thefts, robberies,
and drug sales. Social networking websites are a
popular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to communicate
and expand.

        *In January 2011, a suspected Juggalo member
shot and wounded a couple in King County,
Washington, according to open source reporting.

         *Juggalos are traditionally fans of the musical group the Insane Clown Posse. Arizona, California, Pennsylvania, and Utah are the only US states that recognize Juggalos as a gang.

Juggalos’ disorganization and lack of structure within
their groups, coupled with their transient nature, makes
it difficult to classify them and identify their members
and migration patterns. Many criminal Juggalo subsets
are comprised of transient or homeless individuals,
according to law enforcement reporting. Most Juggalo
criminal groups are not motivated to migrate based
upon traditional needs of a gang. However, law enforcement
reporting suggests that Juggalo criminal activity
has increased over the past several years and has
expanded to several other states. Transient, criminal
Juggalo groups pose a threat to communities due to the
potential for violence, drug use/sales, and their general
destructive and violent nature.

      * In January 2010, two suspected Juggalo associates
were charged with beating and robbing an
elderly homeless man.

Juggalos

Although law enforcement officials in Arizona,
California, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Washington
report the most Juggalo gang-related criminal
activity, Juggalos are present in Colorado, Delaware,
Florida, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Massachusetts,
Michigan, New Mexico, New Hampshire,
North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania,
Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia, according to
NGIC reporting.


Digital Music News nails it again.

An interesting read.