"If not even IFPI and their friends can respect copyright, perhaps it's time to move on?"

Relevent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTOKXCEwo_8

How Pirate Bay makes money from stealing your property:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/feb/05/pirate-sites-advertising-illegal-music-downloads?CMP=twt_gu

Let's burn The Pirate Bay to the ground.

Proxy blocking will suffice, it's starting already...

This is truly hilarious

The irony is nearly complete.

If CIAPC set it up so that the home page was an enter button that actually is a user link that downloads the allegedly infringing image/data.

Then Pirate Bay would have to send takedown notices everytime someone else posted a fresh link.

"Then Pirate Bay would have to send takedown notices everytime someone else posted a fresh link"

Exactly how would they do that? :)

The Pirate Bay is a criminal organization, founded by convicted criminals who are forbidden to operate the site.

Which means they can't send any legitimate takedown notices to anybody.

Criminals can own copyrights and trademarks.

Running a background check is not part of the takedown process, so if you own a copyright you can send a notice

"Criminals can own copyrights and trademarks."

Certainly -- and The Pirate Bay are as entitled to protect their Intellectual Property as anybody else.

Only problem is they can't do it without exposing themselves.

But by all means, let's hope they'll do it anyway... :)

Too funny...

The irony just OOOZES out of this. don't feel all that nice, now does it PirateGhey?

...wait till they find out they've been played...

The ships look nothing alike. A fail to see that there is an actual case here. But it is entertaining.

"A fail to see that there is an actual case here."

No, you can't just take their code. :)

Sure, the people behind the Pirate Bay are convicted criminals, but they are still as entitled to protect their Intellectual Property as anybody else.

CIAPC's trap is absolutely hilarious and the pirates fell for it -- big time!

In the USA the code is protected under copyright, so you can't scrape it and use it without permission.

Layout of a design is not protected under copyright. So there could be some discussion about separation of copyrightable elements from the non-copyrightable elements.

The sinking ship image is not an exact duplicate. Not even close, so there is not much of a copyright claim there otherwise Pirate Bay could sue everyone that uses pirate ship images.

As for trademark, you must ask: Would the average consumer be confused as to the source/owner of the service provided by the Finnish website? Well a consumer at Pirate Bay probably knows what is going on and would not be confused, however an average consumer may be confused and think that the Finnish site is just a subsidiary of Pirate Bay. So this is a judgement call that could be heard in court somewhere, I don't knowwhat court would take the case.

"The sinking ship image is not an exact duplicate. Not even close, so there is not much of a copyright claim there otherwise Pirate Bay could sue everyone that uses pirate ship images."

You're absolutely right, though I'm not sure why you're telling me this.

I explicitly mentioned the code; not the image or the layout...

Sorry I meant to reply to first visitor.

With so many "Visitors" sometimes a reply is made to the wrong one.

And the first visitor was explicitly talking about the ship image and you are talking about the code. So why were you talking about code?

My point was, there is more of a trademark case based on similarity of design than there is a copyright case based on scraping code.  There is not much of a copyright case if the code represents un-copyrightable design elements which appears to be the case here.

"With so many "Visitors" sometimes a reply is made to the wrong one."

Sorry, I know it's confusing.

"So why were you talking about code?

My point was, there is more of a trademark case based on similarity of design than there is a copyright case based on scraping code.  There is not much of a copyright case if the code represents un-copyrightable design elements which appears to be the case here."

Code, design, content and fonts are deliberately lifted -- and the drawing is clearly paraphrasing the Pirate Bay logo. All in all, I would say we're looking at a classic infringement case here.

So if the Pirate Bay don't sue now, they probably won't be able to sue anybody for copyright and/or trademark infringement ever again (it's like muscles; use them or lose them).

This means that anybody could upload 10,000 pages that look exactly like Pirate Bay proxies next month.

And that could very well be the purpose of the exercise...

There's a typo in the article.

The Pirate Bay spokesman gave this comment to TorrentFreak, they didn't give it to themselves.

"The Pirate Bay spokesman gave this comment to TorrentFreak, they didn't give it to themselves."

You think there's a difference between the two?

That typo is copyrighted under international law.  Who can I sue?

/paul

Surely a simple case of parody fair usage, in the USA if not Finland.  I'm sure Prof Larry Lessig would agree.  Maybe the CIAPC should ask him to defend them.  Pro bono, of course.

You actually think we're going to see a complaint, I mean with names on it? :)

There is no such thing as bad publicity, right?

"There is no such thing as bad publicity, right?"

Wrong, publicity can be fatal for criminals...

Sometimes. It didn't hurt quite a few American gangsters for years.

What could be dangerous is showing up in court to argue your case and the police grab you and toss you on the first plane to a country that will put you in a cell for a long time

"It didn't hurt quite a few American gangsters for years"

But it destroyed them in the end...

"What could be dangerous is showing up in court to argue your case and the police grab you and toss you on the first plane to a country that will put you in a cell for a long time"

That's one of many unpleasant scenarios, yes.

Sounds like some Mafiaa style justice.

"Mafiaa"

And it's Talk Like a Pirate Day again... :)

where are all the comments from the digitards who love to jump on with "music must be free" , "copyright inhibits", "change your business model" talking points, etc etc? 

*crickets*

 

They are selling t-shirts

Music must be free, and you should change your business model.

Happy?

yes! where is casey?? where is jw??

lol

Probably have real jobs and can't sit and debate unemployed musicians all day.

Or perhaps they grew up.

Or realized that arguing with a troll like you isn't worth the effort

Or they gave up... :)

For all the small minds, here's my fretardist quota for the day:

Change your model, information wants to be a ballet dancer,etc 

Ok that's out of the way.  I find this pretty funny, but PB has sued people before, so it's not really suprising.  I bet they're laughing their butts off over someone giving them the chance to sue over infringement.  *grabs popcorn*

Obvious fair use, at least in the USA. Parody is one of the strongest protected exceptions to copyright.

Not in Finland - Finnish copyright law does not have an exception for parody. It's also deliberate as it was left out while the other exceptions in EU Dopyright Directive were implemented in Finland.

If the Pirate Bay is to be taken seriously, they have sent a lot of complaints and c&d letters by now.

So how do anti-pirates react to the threats?

http://piraattilahti.fi/

Here is an interesting angle on the story:

It's a bit odd though, so first you have to understand that pedophile views and comments are quite common on the piracy blog torrentfreak.com.

Now, one of the blog readers writes in a comment that the Pirate Bay could do to the Finnish anti-pirates what a Children's Organization did to child porn activist and pirate-hero Matti Nikki:

Matti Nikki stole the layout from a Save The Children webpage owned by the Children's Organization and changed the title to Save The Pedophiles.

This initiative was popular among pedophiles and pirates, but the Children's Organization didn't think it was funny.

So they took Mr. Nikki to court -- and won:

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-rips-off-pirate-bay-website-faces-lawsuit-130213/#disqus_thread

(It's one of the last comments in the threads.)

Hm, that's odd -- the anti-piracy site is still up:

http://piraattilahti.fi/

Seems the Pirate Bay can't be trusted, huh?

Must be a huge disappointment for the criminals to see their leaders exposed as a couple of wimps...

OK, now it's getting funny. :)

I have to admit that I thought the trap was way too naive at first.

But now it seems that our pirates may take the bait. Given the fact that the Pirate Bay is a criminal organization however, they can't do so in public.

So, according to TorrentFreak, they may try to hide behind a group of middle men, most likely a pro-piracy/pedophilia organization.

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-to-the-pirate-bay-we-want-you-to-sue-us-130216/

And that could be bloody:

The front organization will probably be forced by law to reveal the identities of the criminals behind Pirate Bay, and if they refuse to do so they'll be guilty of criminal conspiracy to conceal evidence or to cover-up organized crime.

So the pirates have painted themselves into a corner:

Either they expose themselves as harmless wimps and lose a lot of respect in the criminal world -- or they expose their identies at the risk of going back to jail.

Decisions, decisions...

Yes very interesting. 

And they have to do something. 

As we speak I am sure there are at least a half dozen organizations out there that are working on their own pirate bay "parody" sites

"I am sure there are at least a half dozen organizations out there that are working on their own pirate bay "parody" sites"

:) Some of them may even be indistinguishable from Pirate Bay proxies.

Imagine that!

Thousands of Pirate Bay proxies -- linking to iTunes and Amazon!

...oh, and the 10.000 fake proxies would obviously be listed on even fakier proxy info sites...

..then I see that FAke sites are solving piratebay problem...

I see here Pirate Parody made by TPB and finnish TTVK Ry (CIAPC) is swallowing it on whole, xD .

Here is an interesting angle on the story:

It's a bit odd though, so first you have to understand that pedophile views and comments are quite common on the piracy blog torrentfreak.com.

Now, one of the blog readers writes in a comment that the Pirate Bay could do to the Finnish anti-pirates what a Children's Organization did to child porn activist and pirate-hero Matti Nikki:

Matti Nikki stole the layout from a Save The Children webpage owned by the Children's Organization and changed the title to Save The Pedophiles.

This initiative was popular among pedophiles and pirates, but the Children's Organization didn't think it was funny.

So they took Mr. Nikki to court -- and won:

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-rips-off-pirate-bay-website-faces-lawsuit-130213/#disqus_thread

(It's one of the last comments in the threads.)