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There's another band focusing on their 'Grooveshark problem,' and they're pretty damn huge. Take a look at this comment by Lisa Thomas Music Services, LLC, which handles publishing administration for both Glenn Frey and Don Henley, as well as Eagles Recording Co. II, the band's label. It was entered last week in response to our earlier publication of a frustrating email exchange between Grooveshark and King Crimson (Paul Geller is an SVP at Grooveshark).
Digital Music News contacted owner Lisa Thomas directly, not only to verify the authorship but to get a sense for next steps. Those aren't decided yet, though Lisa agreed to show us the problem firsthand. On Friday (October 28th), Thomas copied us on a DMCA takedown notice to Grooveshark, one that included no fewer than 367 specific links to 31 classic Eagles songs.
The expectation was for those links to be removed within 24 hours, and when we checked back Monday morning, Grooveshark had indeed deactivated all of the links. But 30 out of the 31 songs earmarked in the takedown notice were also readily available on Grooveshark for anyone searching the site, often with multiple copies available and right at the top of the results queue. In fact, we quickly found 3 copies of 'Desperado,' despite a request to remove 72 specific urls pointing to that song. The one song we couldn't find was "Desperado Part II".
We're not sure if the new copies were uploaded by users, or by Grooveshark itself (as alleged by an employee whose identity has not been verified). Or, simply missed by the original takedown notice, despite its exhaustive nature. Either way, Thomas told us that this was nothing new: her group has been sending multiple takedown requests, with songs routinely reappearing in short order.
All of which seems to suggest that no matter how aggressively a rights owner serves DMCA takedown notices, content will quickly resurface as if nothing happened. Especially for a group the size of the Eagles.
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Idaho87 Monday, October 31, 2011
Why do I get the sense that this is going to a very bad place.
Nick Mango Monday, October 31, 2011
or good place, it depends on who you ask.
::picks up popcorn::
MDTI Monday, October 31, 2011
It would be interesting to have the same articles that we had for spotify, grooveshark, and others, for Youtube. I was wondering if the pay off was superior, equal, or inferior to those of audio-streamers. I know all those site base pay outs on licences and advertising, but there is nothing that can't be explained... i suppose... :-)
Visitor Monday, October 31, 2011
For those who might have missed the previous episodes of "Grooveshark: Mafia Business" -
This Morning, Grooveshark Sent Us This Angry Email...
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/101711grooveshark
King Crimson Can't Get Their Music Off of Grooveshark. So They cc'd Digital Music News...
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/101311cc
Good news Monday, October 31, 2011
Today my PRO contact confirmed to me off-the-record that they are auditing Grooveshark. The PROs are not exactly famous for their fast pace in things, but when they get their hands on something...oh boy...you better be prepared...!
A Milli Monday, October 31, 2011
Yup! I think it's got the initials B.M.I.
JJ Monday, October 31, 2011
rdr Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Thieves. Plain and simple...
Josh Greenberg & Sam Tarantino. Grooveshark founders. Hopefully they'll be fined per infraction some day. It's the only way they'll stop.
Interesting, from Flavorpill -- interview with Paul Geller, Grooveshark SVP of something or other:
Flavorpill: So you’re saying that King Crimson could have used a single link, and they didn’t, and that’s why their music was on the site? Paul Geller: Well, yeah. It’s really that simple. Any artist can come in and submit a DMCA takedown notice, and it usually takes a little bit less than 24 hours. We say 24 hours, but it could be minutes. (http://flavorwire.com/224958/qa-grooveshark-ceo-paul-geller-on-king-crimson-and-copyright)
repeater Tuesday, November 01, 2011
I think that sentence should just be echoed across the internet until Mr.Geller drowns in his own echoed bullshit...
"Paul Geller: Well, yeah. It’s really that simple. Any artist can come in and submit a DMCA takedown notice, and it usually takes a little bit less than 24 hours. We say 24 hours, but it could be minutes."
Hit the hosting companies Tuesday, November 01, 2011
--- How to fight mafia sites hosted in the US ---
Note:
US hosting companies prefer to lose a mafia customer than face bad PR. If a hosting company ever tries to protect a piracy website, have your lawyer inform them that you are considering going public with the relevant information, for the sake of communicating your problem with the music industry. No, they can't sue you for "defamation". Have your lawyer break the news to them, don't do it yourself.
Aisle7 Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Okay so you realize that Grooveshark has totally pissed off the Eagles.
And if there's ONE band that Irving Azoff cares about, that would be, anyone? The Eagles.
alden Tuesday, November 01, 2011
anyone know if Warner Music has a licensing deal with Grooveshark? these are all wmg songs.
musicservices4less Tuesday, November 01, 2011
I am no fan of music sites that don't follow the DMCA rules. Having said that, I am not sure that Grooveshark has violated those rules. It is my understanding that Grooveshark is required upon notice to take down supplied "urls", not search and continue to take down by name of songs. So if someone keeps uploading to different urls, then the game of whack a mole has begun. I think this may be another problem with the language/concept of the DMCA that was not realized at the time of its passage but now that the internet has become the medium of business for music, the problems are evident and we need to change/amend/pass new legislation. Most congresspeople have websites to contact them so you can support this change and the new legislation that is being proposed as well.
You got it all wrong... Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Actually, it is very easy to document an alleged upload on a website, regardless of what Grooveshark may claim about "users on the loose". All it takes is an audit. What? No backups available for the audit? Say hello to the Feds...
Visitor Friday, November 04, 2011
I agree if the artist is not getting paid on the "Sales" of their music.
I have given Grooveshark the right to give some of my music away for free...as they are older releases and I have made money on them via, Itunes et al.
However, the Old School Guard, peolpe like LIZA are a dying bunch. The Majors are crashing, famous acts are now taking their destination in their own hands, leaving the entourage of smug and idiotic protectors behind.
DMCA I agree with. Even though the EALES are a great band, I wonder if Don and Crew, after their run of success are really pitch'n a fit? Not to say they should'nt get %s of monies owed, but are they really pissed at Grooveshark?
Or ask your self, all you Old Guard fools posting on this site, is it the Freeloading, sucking personel who cling onto the artist like a leach, sucking out as much pennies as they can in the "NAME" of the artist?
sschwartz Tuesday, November 01, 2011
@katonahdc Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Katonah Coster
Just wrote a paper on Grooveshark's pricing issues. A bit like watching a burning ship, no?
@thornybleeder Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Brian Thompson
Me thinks this web service is about to be in some hot water..
Truliatrulia Tuesday, November 01, 2011
Found on Sam (Founder, Grooveshark) Tarantino's Facebook & Twitter today -- maybe the name of the Act hits a little too close to home!
Hit them everywhere you see th Wednesday, November 02, 2011
Why not publicly expose this mafia boss, by sending him public questions on Twitter, Facebook, etc?
It is very easy to make an account, follow him and then send a public question.
"Why doesn't Grooveshark respect the rights of independent musicians?"
"Why doesn't Grooveshark pay the artists?"
"Why doesn't Grooveshark respect DMCA notices from musicians?"
It doesn't matter if he never replies...
outsourced? Wednesday, November 02, 2011
Does anyone know where Grooveshark is operating from? Russia? Ukraine? Cayman Islands? Just wondering, because what the Big Shark of Grooveshark has publicly said so far are more than enough in the US to type a word called F-E-L-O-N-Y.
fences Wednesday, November 02, 2011
Lovely Gainesville, FL (with offices in NY, as well).
JoeC Thursday, November 03, 2011
Seems like this thread is partying like it's 1999. The train has left the station, folks. Btw, I was a little worried that Don and Glen weren't gonna be able to make the mortgage this month. Glad someone is looking after them.
Menzo Thursday, November 03, 2011
Mindless post.
@musiciansrights Thursday, November 03, 2011
Music Supported Here
the byrds is coming...
Unknown. Friday, November 04, 2011
Well, I can tell you from first hand experience, dealing with people like LISA and the other morons with sumg attitudes, trying to get rights to sample and or do a cover is beyond a Pain in the Arse.
You know what...screw them. Let them take the legal route. Sue me. I produce techno tracks that spread viral world wide. I have tried to work within the system and do the "right" thing. What I find are these little pain in the arses called "Lawyers", alum of UofC (Chicago that is where I attended MBA school) have no interest in working with or allowing any creative process with most of their "Clients" work. As if they represent the Holy Grail of an Artist.
Well guess what LISA and crew. Your day's of smoking weed and being cool in the 70s and controlling the "Music Industry" are over.
The Indi artist will surive the crumbling of the "Empire" of Labels, Publishers and Mechanical Rights houses. So, sue me when you hear a sample of your artist on one of my techno tracks. 90% of my crowd would have no idea who they are in the first place and I'm only introducing "Your" artist to a new generation. And yes, I did go through the proper channles to try and do what is right, only to have doors shut in my face because, I was not at Woodstock.
I also have a team of young, well educated and ready to fight lawyers. In the end, we will pay you out what you are due. But the show will go on and I will release tracks with uncleared samples. And if the tracks do well, you will get your standard industry %. So piss of.
Suzanne Friday, November 04, 2011
Silly post.
Patrick Landreville Wednesday, November 09, 2011
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