Tommy Boy Is Finding Counterfeit Vinyl on Amazon — For Titles They Aren’t Even Pressing

Rosie Lopez, president of Tommy Boy Records, speaking at Making Vinyl in Hollywood, CA last week (photo: Digital Music News, Public Domain)

Rosie Lopez, president of Tommy Boy Records, speaking at Making Vinyl in Hollywood, CA last week (photo: Digital Music News, Public Domain)

Back in August, we reported on a serious problem involving counterfeit CDs on Amazon.  Now, we’re learning about a physical knock-off issue that’s far more serious than we imagined.

Just how serious is vinyl counterfeiting?  Considering that the fledgling vinyl records industry is having trouble counting legitimate sales, that’s a question that remains extremely difficult to answer.

In mid-August, we got a glimpse into how serious this issue is for vinyl’s physical cousin.  According to details shared by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), roughly 25% of all CDs ‘Fulfilled by Amazon’ are fake.  The group also found serious problems on eBay and Alibaba, with 100 percent of the CD box sets bought by the RIAA — 40 boxsets on eBay, 32 on AliExpress — determined to be counterfeit.

We pressed Amazon for answers on the matter, and got a professional PR brush-off.  But it looks like this is an equally serious problem on the vinyl side.

Last week at the Making Vinyl Conference in Los Angeles, Tommy Boy Records president Rosie Lopez shared a startling fact.  Not only is Tommy Boy finding fake vinyl LPs of their storied hip hop catalog, they’re finding fake LPs on titles they aren’t even producing.

“Counterfeit is another issue altogether,” Lopez said.  “Somehow records that Tommy Boy hasn’t pressed in — ever — are on sale on Amazon, that’s a little concerning.”

And yes, Lopez clarified that these aren’t old, dusty De La Soul gems from the 80s and 90s. These are brand-new productions that Tommy Boy hasn’t pressed and isn’t pressing — though counterfeiters are clearly seeing a market opportunity that the label can’t capture quickly enough.

So where’s this stuff coming from?  Bruce Ogilvie, chairman of Alliance Entertainment, pointed a very serious threat from China. “I just learned last week, I never knew that they were manufacturing vinyl in China,” Ogilvie said.  “I opened my eyes and said, ‘holy crap’.  That means that all the counterfeiting of CDs and box sets and video — and now vinyl — is coming in the same way into the U.S.”

Unfortunately, Amazon is doing little to step the tide, according to Ogilvie.  The distributor relayed a horror story involving an exclusive physical release that was selling way below expectations, though the counterfeit version on Amazon was quickly moving units. “Amazon doesn’t really care, because they still make their fulfillment fees for its FBA [Fulfillment by Amazon],” Ogilvie said.  “Amazon makes it really easy for that product to come straight into the U.S.”

But, who wants a fake LP? After all, a huge percentage of vinyl buyers want quality. But Ogilvie said it doesn’t matter: “They knock it off in no time, with incredible quality — pressing plants can’t even tell the difference.”

“I’m concerned that the ecosystem is getting polluted with counterfeit product.”

So what’s the solution? “I’m not a legal person, but I thought we had an organization called the RIAA,” said Michael Kurtz, co-founder of Record Store Day. “They don’t seem to help anybody out in my community. Like everything these days, when we go to the people we’ve trusted to do the right thing, they’re just not.”

 

6 Responses

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    Nicky Knight

    That’s a real problem from what I just read… Physical product could die if pirate vinyl and CD’s spoil the business.

    At least Apple Music / iTunes provides an accounting and pays royalties.

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    Ted

    The real problem here is that the record industry is missing out on an opportunity (once again). There is demand for physical product still. Tommy Boy – take note of what titles you should be pressing still.

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    ms

    “These are brand-new productions that Tommy Boy hasn’t pressed and isn’t pressing — though counterfeiters are clearly seeing a market opportunity that the label can’t capture quickly enough.”

    Honestly it seems kinda shady that the specific titles are not mentioned. Chinese counterfeiters are making exclusive vinyl pressings of new records that are not receiving an official vinyl release? Why are Tommy Boy not releasing these titles if they’re obviously in such high demand? This honestly doesn’t really seem that believable.

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    UNOMYNOUS

    Well Tommy Boy Records deserves this for what they did to De La Soul. Not clearing their catalogue and paying them royalties on the first albums. If I could bootleg I would give the money directly to De La.

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    not_important

    To hell with Tommy Boy Records, getting what they deserve.

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    Buxton

    There’s a seller on Amazon “Kipepeo Publishing” who lifts his material from various blogs that posts mp3s of African vinyl. This person sells CD-Rs from mp3 files and repeated complaints to Amazon have been ignored. Amazon only cares about profit.